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Sent by Rania|
Date: 2014-10-21 14:16:09 CST
I don't get it. It say in the link she has masters degree in computer sci and this is compu sci
project, large database project. What is credential she suppose to have?
Sent by [empty]|
Date: 2014-10-21 06:32:54 CST
why "honorary" then?
Sent by Felix|
Date: 2014-10-19 19:53:23 CST
I'd sign a petition to award Emily an honorary doctorate, anyone know any good universities that
might bite? Then she'll have some... wait for it... CREDENTIALS.
Sent by Sharon Krebs|
Date: 2014-10-14 02:04:33 CST
Location: Victoria, BC Canada
Barbara Miller’s response to you should have been enough, but apparently it was not. So I will
Your first point:
Instead of flailing about in the guestbook, getting all aggressive about creating petitions, and
making hurtful and unfounded remarks about Emily’s qualifications, why did you not simply send
her a private email asking if she had made plans about the future of the site? Your methods are
frankly offensive. You *never* acknowledge when you are in the wrong, nor do you apologize for
your errors (I am referring to your statement, which has been refuted by numerous people, about
how Emily cannot even read music). Furthermore, if you were actually among those who make
frequent and significant contributions to the site you would know that Emily consults these people
when she is considering changes, and that she is, in fact, working on planning for the future of
Your second point:
No one has ever pretended that this site only contained “good” songs. It is an archive of
song texts and translations. There are numerous precedents, including the Hofmeister and Challier
catalogues of the 19th century. In both of those as well, no one vetted what was included. To
the best of the editors’ ability, everything that was published was automatically taken up into
the catalogue. One never knows what a given researcher will need for his/her particular project,
and it is therefore much more academically sound to include everything. Winnowing is the
responsibility of the scholar, not the archivist.
Your third point:
I am extremely tired of hearing this comment about how the site looks. The look of the site has
never interfered with its usefulness to me as a singer and a scholar. If you are a website
designer, then please create something and submit it to Emily and her (unofficial) Board for
consideration. If you know any such people who would be willing to undertake that task for free
(like the rest of us contributors do things), then please get them to create something and submit
Your fourth point has been dealt with by others in the posts below.
Please leave us alone now.
Sent by Bertram Kottmann|
Date: 2014-10-13 11:35:57 CST
IS - It seems to be an idée fixe, wanting to heal a healthy system.
Sent by Guy Laffaille|
Date: 2014-10-13 10:17:29 CST
Here texts and translations can be read free. It is not the case at IPA source.
Sent by Karen|
Date: 2014-10-13 07:27:05 CST
oh tut tut tut Smith! Don't you know IPA Source copies loads of texts from here?
Sent by Irene Smith|
Date: 2014-10-12 09:48:12 CST
Yes: it concerns me that
1. the resource could vanish someday because it is not an institution.
2. value judgements are made on what to include and nobody is vetting them or could vet them.
3. the look of the website makes it seem amateur with the content disproportionately high quality.
4. you need only look at IPA Source to see the disparity to a project with credentialled people
Sent by Sharon Krebs|
Date: 2014-10-06 15:23:28 CST
Location: Victoria, BC Canada
I would like to express enormous gratitude to Barbara Miller for her clear, thoughtful, and
Sent by James Smith|
Date: 2014-10-04 18:15:54 CST
Awesome site! [email protected]
Contact me anytime.
Sent by Jimmy|
Date: 2014-10-04 11:55:53 CST
Blessings for all you do.
Sent by Mike Intorcia|
Date: 2014-10-03 20:30:05 CST
Location: Oak Park, IL
Thanks. I needed the "sei:
Sent by sense86|
Date: 2014-10-03 18:15:15 CST
Location: South Korea
i translate to korean language Herbstlied op 43 no 2
Lyricist siegfried august Mahlmann
Composer robert Schumann
Das Laub fällt von den Bäumen,
Das zarte Sommerlaub,
Das Leben mit seinen Träumen
Zerfällt in Asch´ und Staub
Die Vöglein traulich sangen
Wie schweigt der Wald jetzt still!
Die Lieb' ist fortgegangen,
Kein Vöglein singen will.
Die Liebe kehrt wohl wieder
Im künft'gen lieben Jahr,
Und alles tönt dann wieder,
Was hier verklungen war.
Der Winter sei willkommen,
Sein Kleid ist rein und neu,
Den Schmuck hat er genommen,
Den Schmuck bewahrt er treu.
낙엽이 나무에서 떨어지네,
부드러운 여름 단풍.
그의 희망들과 함께한 생활
재와 먼지로 남네.
작은 새들이 은밀하게 노래하네
숲은 이제 조용히 침묵합니다.!
사랑은 멀리 사라지고
어떤 작은 새도 노래하길 원치 않네.
사랑은 반드시 다시 돌아올거야
사랑하는 다음 연도에
그리고 모든 것이 다시 울려퍼질거야,
무엇이 여기에서 사망했나를.
네 복장은 순수하고 새롭습니다.
그는 보석을 얻었습니다
그는 충실하게 보석을 보호합니다.
Sent by Barbara Miller|
Date: 2014-10-03 00:51:00 CST
OK, Irene, I'll engage directly with your words:
1. This is a world resource used by singers and vocal departments around the world.
Response: the fact that it is so widely used demonstrates how well it has been conceived,
upgraded, and maintained by the person who had the idea to do it. The vocal music world didn't say
"we need this site" -- it discovered the site after Emily started it and built it up, using her
considerable programming skills.
2. It is controlled by one person.
Response: "controlled" is an interesting word to use for something on the internet. Yes, this
website is controlled in something like the way that a driver controls an automobile--in this case
decisions are made to keep it working such that people can continue to find it in the same place
and experience consistency among the text and translations in the database. Can you be specific
about what you see as the downside to this? The vulnerability of the resource should something
happen to her? Your opinion that the resource is not what others would like it to be (and would
agitate for it to become were they to assume responsibility for it)? Can you specify what should
be different? Or is this just a vague sense that it would be "better" if more people were running
it? I really do think the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate why this resource needs to be
run differently, and give specific examples of what should be different.
3. This person has no music credentials.
Response: I don't agree that Emily has *no* music credentials. She does read music, she plays in
chamber groups, and she has done considerable research to find song texts (well before the
volunteers began contributing them) and to translate them, which is what this site is about. What
specifically do you feel are the credentials that are required to run this site and how would
someone with those credentials actually run it differently, and how would that then be better? I
don't believe you really understand just what it has taken to conceive, design, build, upgrade,
and maintain this website so that it is dependable, correct, and extensive enough to have become
so widely used, and why it is precisely Emily's programming and organizational skills that have
allowed her to do it. None of the musicians or musicologists I know would have the skill,
patience, or concern with organizational detail to succeed with a project like this. Furthermore,
you really have to demonstrate to me just what sort of musical credentials are required for this
work, because it seems to me that the sole weak link in this project would be the submission of
translations that may or may not be correct, and, frankly, that work requires language expertise,
not musical credentials.
4. This person has no supervisor.
Response: Can you explain why the person needs one if they've already proven that on their own
they can create and maintain a product that is so widely used and respected?
5. I am concerned!
Response: Please tell me what you are specifically concerned about. That Emily will abandon the
project one day, leaving no one who can continue to run it? That the site is reflecting value
judgements about which song texts should be included that a professional singer or musicologist
would make differently? Please think carefully about this, because I don't think you've made a
successful case for it so far.
As you've no doubt seen from other comments here, there really isn't much of a chance that someone
else will take control of this website, since it has always been Emily's personal hobby and it is
so important because she has been talented and diligent enough to grow it into what it is today.
It may be that at this point you're mostly defending yourself against what you perceive as
personal attacks by those who are defending the site as it is (and some of whom see your comments
as personal attacks against Emily through questioning her credentials). If you don't feel like
explaining to me what I'm missing in your point of view, I will understand, but I really am
curious to know what your vision is for how this website ought to be different.
Sent by Greg Bruce|
Date: 2014-10-02 08:11:13 CST
this site is my bae, thanks for the good times :-) i'll never forget you
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